The public sentiment is largely mixed, with Indian commenters displaying confidence and mockery towards Pakistani threats, viewing them as desperate provocations. While many express a sense of national pride, there are also significant concerns about water security and the potential for conflict, reflecting fear and frustration regarding the government's actions and political posturing.

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So, war? Ahh schucks man.. just when life started to get better.

NotHamza1

UnlikelyConfidence11

Topi drama. India can only effect small percentage of Pakistan's supply. There is a reason those rivers were given to Pakistan in IWT.

IllustriousScene5040

This is unfortunate, but along expected lines from a Hindu nationalist government. The doves are steadily losing ground everywhere in the world and the hawks are winning.

But I just want to say: the people in our region are masters at making their own lives miserable for no good reason. A wise person put it thus: we are like apes who are tearing each other apart because we just don't know any better.

The result of this ratcheting up of hatred can't be pretty. I try not to think about it.

mantrabuddhi

Yes they will, just a matter of time before new deals are made. The Generals come and go, the better question is which Colonel will turn on and exile Munir. It is a long game but the plays are predictable.

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Okay and, spend the next 30 years building dams, the moment water is actually threatened, 2 -3 strikes and waters back😇 good luck wasting the money

BrilliantMastodon957

My Dada friend once said : Brahmin blocked our water. 

Even after 80 years, the same mindset still exists.

i3ahab

Just based on the title good for everyone

SyedHRaza

OK so they will build dams spending billions of $$$ and years and Pakistan will just bomb it. Pakistan will have all the rights since IWT is ratified by UN and India as well.
Just pure drama

shahkhizar1

I wise man once said that next war is going to be on water. We're heading that way full throttle just because of India's arrogance.

googo1

Easy solution if they keep this up for more than 2 years. Conduct another underground nuclear test to remind them (it may repercussion but nothing is more crucial than water).

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What's there to debate? Nehru did many fcuk ups.

__sheesh___

Maybe he assumed his future generations would be smart enough to justify his monumental fcuk-ups. But turns out, stupidity mutated like a virus, each generation dumber than the last. 

Now we’ve got a proud parade of brain-dead clowns who say things like ‘yesterday morning I woke up at night’ and genuinely think they're deep.

Almost_Infamous

I think there should be debate in Parliament for issues created by Nehru. Call a special assembly for it as well.

So that BJP would not raise his name again.

Smilesk123

This is ignoring the socio economic background of that time. Hell, did we even have the engineering to do shit about it? No didn't, it was a treety that been signed or not would not have made a difference in actual war scenario. It was sign as a sign of peace, at the time the world barely trusted India.

khanmerajkita3517

For how many years he will keep doing this Nehru , Nehru Nehru....... Damn it  you are in power more than 10 years now , you do it.

Deathly_Vader

Indus Treaty was signed in 1960

I feel like India's didn't have enough of an influence to really do anything about it . Even if we had protested at that time , I don't think Soviet would back us up in this matter all that much in that matter.

AgentRacro

Abhi cricket match Nehru khel rahe hai kya ?

Rukelele_Dixit21

Down the line, we will even discover Modi Ji's blunder 🥲

PatientKey2330

Ok build the dam then? it will take 200 years

quantumsurrealism

No one can deny it. Nehru had a very hazy and foggy mind. His decision making was weak. This is not a claim thrown out of nowhere, if you see the Kashmir issue, China War all were blunders. Did BJP not do blunders during Atal Bajpai's term? Yes they did. But the scale of blunders is the question here. After independence, we needed someone like Lee Kuan Yew. What he did to Singapore is astonishing. Singapore also had multiple religions and languages. It was a smaller country... yess but the issues were somewhat on similar lines. See that mosquito swamp grow up to one of the strongest passport in the world. And here, the foundation is built on weak decisions.

Shak1196

Nehru signed the treaty not because he was overly generous or naïve, but because:
He wanted long-term peace.
He believed India could maximize its share of rivers effectively.
He wanted to focus on nation-building, not water wars.
He was influenced by global diplomacy and mediation.
Let Modi correct Nehru mistake. You have been Pm for 11 years

Small-Respond-7275

and also paid money under IWT for construction of dams in pakistan over indus river.....

Bps33382

Chacha Lived in a world that never existed!
Being born n raised in aristocracy &amp; abundance, then closeness with both Brits and Ghandi made him further into his fantasy land...
He never had any first hand experience of governance or leadership traits..
For him, his "ideals" were more important than actual results..
He gave away UNSC seat to China

He argued on behalf of China which was annoyance to US

He refused US assistance to build Indian industry and economy, just because he leaned towards Socialism

Brought Kashmir to UNSC, which gave legitimacy to Pak!st@n claim to be international issues

He believed Chini will never attack India

List is long but what's the point of bringing this up again by BJPeee, it's not that they never made mistakes!

AlecRay01

Nehru was also the guy who said Muslims should stay back on humanitarian grounds. Like what bro ????? India would not be less secular if Muslims didn't stay back after asking for separate country/countries. 

No disrespect to current Muslims. Just that today's politics would be less complicated.

DesiBail

While we gave them 80% of water we have not been able to utilise the 20% allocated to us. The rivers flow into Pakistan. Stopping that flow will require billions of dollars of infrastructure investment that we did not have money for. The one institution that funds this sort of infrastructure projects is the World Bank. And guess who put the Indus Waters Treaty together? The World Bank.

Sumeru88

Other person mistakes doesn’t make your mistakes any lesser. Our pm is busy covering his track by talking and blaming others. Just because our past leaders were wrong doesn’t mean that his learning is correct.

External-Boss-3116

I agree that one should not divulge into the past so often. But, some mistakes done by Nehru and a few other leaders of India, in the recent history are wayyy too big- so big that India is still paying the price.

pure_cipher

World Bank helped broker the Indus Waters Treaty and signed it as a third party. It's not just there for show. It's named in the treaty and has a formal role in dispute resolution.

If India walks away unilaterally, the Bank can’t ignore it. It could be forced to step in or back Pakistan in arbitration. That brings legal heat and makes it harder for India to claim this is just a bilateral issue.

Wider risk is how this plays with international lenders. Ignoring a treaty that has the World Bank’s name on it makes India look unreliable. Not great when you're looking for development loans or trying to lead global partnerships.

If India burns its credibility with the World Bank by walking out on the Indus treaty, it risks real money. Just a small rise in borrowing costs could mean an extra 20 to 30 billion dollars in interest over ten years. Projects get delayed, private capital pulls back, and infrastructure grinds slower. That hits jobs, growth, and tax revenue. Investors watch this stuff. Break one treaty and they start pricing in risk everywhere.

VPackardPersuadedMe

It is very likely illegal. The treaty, under its own terms, cannot be unilaterally suspended or terminated (or put in "abeyance", which sounds like an attempt to avoid using the terms suspended or terminated). Thus, the only justifications for termination or suspension would be those provided for in the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties: supervening impossibility of performance, response to material breach, and fundamental chance of circumstance from the time that the treaty was signed. VCLT, articles 60-62. However, none of those apply in this case. 

The other possibility would be to accept that termination/suspension of treaty treaty was a breach of the treaty, but that it was a lawful countermeasure designed to induce Pakistan to comply with its international obligations. There are two problems with that, though: i) India has not shown that Pakistan is responsible for the attacks to which it claims to be responding; and ii) countermeasures cannot amount to reprisals or affect the protection of fundamental human rights. Articles on State Responsibility, article 50(1). Mass denial of access to water is arguably a reprisal that affects the right of people in Pakistan to water and sanitation. *See* CESR General Comment no. 15. So, even if Pakistan were shown to be responsible for the wrongful conduct, and even if India expressly justified its response as a countermeasure, it would still not be lawful.

Calvinball90

So how bad is this for Pakistan going forward?

Benes3460

I've heard the saying that the next major wars will be fought over water, didn't think it would turn out to be true...

Arkangel257

SS: Summary:

India has declared it will never restore the Indus Waters Treaty with Pakistan. Home Minister Amit Shah, in an interview with Times of India, stated that water from rivers previously flowing to Pakistan will now be diverted for internal Indian use, especially to Rajasthan through new canal infrastructure.

The 1960 Indus Waters Treaty, brokered by the World Bank, guaranteed Pakistan access to water from three rivers originating in India—essential for 80% of Pakistan’s agriculture. However, India suspended the treaty following a terror attack in Kashmir that killed 26 civilians, which Delhi attributes to Pakistan-based actors. Despite Pakistan's denial and a recent ceasefire, the treaty remains dormant.

Shah emphasized that the treaty's restoration is off the table and called Pakistan’s historical access to the water “unjustifiable.” Pakistan, in response, maintains that unilateral withdrawal is illegal and warns that blocking water flows could be considered an “act of war.” Islamabad is also exploring legal options under international law.

This hardening of India's stance significantly dims the prospect of water diplomacy between the two nuclear-armed neighbours.

BROWN-MUNDA_

Understandable. I'd assume Pakistan's continued funding and fostering of terrorism against India breaks some sort of law or treaty as well.

wrylypolecat

It seems Indian government have decided to put sanctions on Pakistan with respect to supply of water. 

Pakistan would be well advised to reach out to the Ummah and work out with MBS and Palestinian Authorities to arrange for transfer of water from Jordan, Euphrates or Tigris rivers to Pakistan.

Red_Tien

Probably won’t lead to nukes, but this will lead to war because it affects PAKs ability to feed itself

SaintBobby_Barbarian

well, we can already schedule a major war between them then in the next 10 years

Fun-Manufacturer4170

This is not how you win hearts and minds in the west…

ttown2011

This is just political posturing by BJP and Modi to project a strongman image, it’s not a realistic policy shift. Everyone knows Pakistan is a poor country and any serious reduction in water would mean massive famine. India understands that too. First off, it would take decades to actually build the dams and storage capacity needed to block or divert enough water to matter. Second, Pakistan wouldn’t just sit back. If you’re staring down famine, you either die or you fight and Pakistan has shown just last month it’s not afraid to fight. Five Indian jets were shot down, including Rafales, with ease and without a single shot fired back by the Indians and the difference is expected to grow as Pakistan adds J35 next year. That kind of performance reduces India to the status of Houthis poking holes in hangars or scratching up runways. So again, this “never restore” talk is bluster meant for headlines, not real policy.

Ignore

Is there a way to replace this water loss for Pakistan? If not, surely this basically means war is inevitable?

ivandelapena

“India declares intent to force war with Pakistan”

ScrawnyCheeath

Technically a new treaty would not be restoring the old treaty, right?

Crazy-Difference-681

Tensions escalate as Pakistan's Prime Minister threatens to prevent India from using its water resources in response to India's suspension of the Indus Waters Treaty.

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